Ford Vrs Toyota course

[ignorant]

I always thought Unimogs would work well but the oil field guys like to drive fast although a lot are being tracked now via GPS units.

company truck, right? HA!!!:sombrero::sombrero:

 

[El Guapo]

how did you read that I was saying toyota trucks were best? I just have some experience in corporate purchasing, and purchasing dosen't always make the best choices.

However, you immediately jumped to conclusions and jumped down my throat so, thanks for that. I'll make sure I highly regard your opinion in the future.

well sorry if my reply ruffled your feathers. if you read it carefully you'll note i was generalizing precisely to not pin it on YOU. my response is aimed at the general public that refuses to see the issues that this company is currently having. If you consider yourself to be part of that general public well then there's not much i can do.....

and if that wasn't clear i'll state it again . my reply is generalized and not aimed at you singularly. AND it is still my opinion. you don't have to like it and i am not changing it.

 

[bjowett]

Stiffness dosn't necessarily equal strenth. What Toyota has done with recent frames is move to a reinforced C chanel. It's a cheap way to make a strong frame. Most 3/4 and 1 ton trucks use them for the same reason. Personally, I would rather have a boxed frame... so that's what I did to my truck.

Now, the Tundra's drivetrain is overbuilt, plain and simple. There isn't another 1/2 ton that approaches it. We can talk more about this if you would like.

Ford's quality has been improving, and this is good... and while they currently match Toyota in initial quality, I still don't agree that they have the long term durabilty of a Toyota.

 

[nobodyspecial]

What about the previously mentioned frame rust issues?

 

[ignorant]

What about the previously mentioned frame rust issues?

they buy them back at 1.5x value. If someone was smart, they'd buy one off an unspsecting owner for little value and then sell it to a dealership...

Pr0fit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ignorant]

well sorry if my reply ruffled your feathers. if you read it carefully you'll note i was generalizing precisely to not pin it on YOU. my response is aimed at the general public that refuses to see the issues that this company is currently having. If you consider yourself to be part of that general public well then there's not much i can do.....

and if that wasn't clear i'll state it again . my reply is generalized and not aimed at you singularly. AND it is still my opinion. you don't have to like it and i am not changing it.

Yeah, sorry my response was a bit harsh as well. No hard feelings. You get kinda snappy when you got a 1 year old who likes to get up at 4am everyday.

 

[beast1210]

I'm sure they all handle better than my 77' scout, not much high tech anything on her, but i have a feeling my scout will still be on the road a time.

 

[Fireman78]

I love how this thread evolved.. thanks. I would put my Power Wagon up against ANY of these trucks in a rough and tumble, till the wheels fall off, pure off road/ work truck test. Ford, Toyota, even standard Dodge trucks couldn't compete.. that is a promise. Nobody wants to take on a challenge like that. I am not being brand specific here.. I've owned just about every brand around. I work in the woods almost everyday and can say this 100%.

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Stiffness dosn't necessarily equal strenth. What Toyota has done with recent frames is move to a reinforced C chanel. It's a cheap way to make a strong frame. Most 3/4 and 1 ton trucks use them for the same reason. Personally, I would rather have a boxed frame... so that's what I did to my truck..

No, it's just cheap. A C-frame can't have the same strength/weight as a box section because of the way the flanges buckle when under a bending load. Boxes and I beams can't do that.

You can make a C-frame strong, it just takes a lot more metal, which isn't a big deal for larger trucks.

 

[nickw]

Bet

I love how this thread evolved.. thanks. I would put my Power Wagon up against ANY of these trucks in a rough and tumble, till the wheels fall off, pure off road/ work truck test. Ford, Toyota, even standard Dodge trucks couldn't compete.. that is a promise. Nobody wants to take on a challenge like that. I am not being brand specific here.. I've owned just about every brand around. I work in the woods almost everyday and can say this 100%.

Any of 'these' trucks, I think there was mention of a M37 and Unimog, so I would take that bet. Your confidence is astounding, considering your rig is only 4 years old...

Whats the big deal about frames anyways, how often do they break? Sure there is the odd rear end of a Tacoma, but that is really only an issue when hanging heavy bumpers/tires/cans off the back.

IMO, durability/reliability is more associated with the complicated systems of a vehicle, e.g. drivetrain.

 

[El Guapo]

Now, the Tundra's drivetrain is overbuilt, plain and simple. There isn't another 1/2 ton that approaches it. We can talk more about this if you would like.

Ford's quality has been improving, and this is good... and while they currently match Toyota in initial quality, I still don't agree that they have the long term durabilty of a Toyota.

i would LOVE to hear the analysis of this statement- please...please start with the durability one of the F series all the way back to its origins in comparison to the Tundra's.

 

[Fireman78]

Trust me you don't want none of this... :sombrero:

 

[Fireman78]

Well, it would have been a much cooler response above if I could have got the entire picture in there... LOL

 

[FreeManDan]

Well then get it in there or I kill these cute kittens

 

[Fireman78]

I can't figure out how to make the picture fit.. Anybody know of a good picture program that makes it easy to change the size?