My Jeep FC170 (Forward Control) "Patina Rod" project

1x1_Speed_Craig

Active member
So I was shuffling stuff around storage the other day and forget I had a handful of things I got from government liquidation. Not sure why it made me think of your build but...*shrugs*
So question 1 is: Are you planning to run AC in the FC?
2: think you'd want one of these oddities and see if it would work?
In a nutshell it's a heater/AC (I think) unit used in the dash of I believe military semi trucks. Seems like a retro fit or semi-stand alone deal similar to the fat part of say a CJ heater box. Has baffles, ports for the heater core, some cables, and a fan control deal. Next time I make a run to storage I'll snap some pics.may be useful, maybe not? But I sure don't need all 5 or so.

Ok, here's some pics from a different GL auction but iirc, mine look/are the same.
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Yo 1speed... you alive sir!?!?!??

Sorry, I somehow missed your posts here, jeepdreamer. To answer your question, I'll probably have A/C at some point, but haven't really given it much thought yet. Those units look pretty cool, but look like MONSTERS size-wise. I'd certainly be interested in some dimensions, if you could grab some the next time you're at your storage unit.




(4/5/2016 Project Update)

Things have been a little quiet/slow on the FC front, but Spring 2016 is breaking, and with that comes some new enthusiasm about getting stuff done (mostly paint work that I couldn't easily do over the winter). I've also been taking a Krav Maga (self-defense) class a couple times/week, so my limited garage time is further impacted.

First, here are some of the little accomplishments for which I don't have any pictures:
  • I replaced the rear output seal on the '01 NP241 DHD transfer case. The transfer case has now been completely re-sealed, and should be good for years & years of leak-free use.
  • I got most of my parts off the dining room table. I won't lie, though...I still have a beautiful Dana 80 rear caliper still sitting there so I can gaze lovingly upon it while we eat. Eventually, I'll get the second caliper sandblasted and painted to match.
  • I broke out my 7-pc. Eastwood Hammer & Dolly set, which I purchased well over a year ago, for the first time this weekend. I used it for the mundane task of straightening a bent-up Dana 80 dust shield. It was a minor job, but these made it easy to shape it back to a respectable profile.
  • I welded a set of new casters on my engine hoist...much needed after 15 years of use on the original steel casters that really didn't want to cooperate when trying to turn anymore. The new casters have bigger-diameter poly "tires" and are greasable. Best of all, the thing now steers where it's supposed to.
  • I've also been cleaning/purging/organizing in the garage. I had collected years of misc. Jeep bolts/hardware, and got everything I needed organized into labeled bins.


I found these 6K-mile take-off parts from a 2015 F250 Platinum (with 6.7L Power Stroke diesel) in Texas. Normally, the geography wouldn't be ideal, but my brother-in-law lives down there, and is picking them up for me this week. We'll be visiting him and his family this summer, so I'll haul them back with me then. I already have some of these parts (coil springs & radius arms), but these take-offs have such little use. I can certainly use the shocks, and the 4400-lb. (light) coil springs will give me a "fine-tuning" option should my existing springs be too stiff.

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I also circled back to my FC170 "wall decor" grill. Over the weekend, I removed the lower skirting, partial A pillars that were still attached, and the inner windshield/dash support. Basically, I 95% de-skinned it, which lightened it up a lot. I'll be repairing the lower sheet metal and filling the windshield wiper holes, then doing some minor bodywork (dent removal). I'll repaint the blue area, but will keep the white/patina center section as-is. We're thinking this will end up being a headboard for our bed, providing it doesn't dwarf the room in our tiny house.

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In the course of cleaning/purging, I removed these hardware pieces from the Jeep Commander 2nd-row seats, and recycled the rest of the seat frames. The two pieces with the cables were originally spring-loaded, cable-actuated releases for the head rests to collapse when the two outer portions of the rear seat are folded down. The big center piece is a spring-loaded release to the center section of the seat to fold down (pull a strap to unlock the seat back). I already have some ideas for re-using all of this hardware.

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Meanwhile, vehicles like the 2015 EJS Jeep FC150 concept vehicle, showcasing an original FC150 body transplanted on a shortened, late-model 2005 Wrangler (TJ) chassis, continue to help drive up the excitement about (and price of) these crazy-looking Forward Control trucks. I'm glad I got mine when I did!

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1x1_Speed_Craig

Active member
those bastards . but I love it.

:sombrero:


Several side projects, one of the kids graduating, planning a bathroom remodel, and purging/selling some stuff has limited my hands-on work with the Patina Rod, but I've been researching wheels & tire options a LOT.

My primary struggles with using the stock-sized 17" x 6.5" Super Duty dually wheels are:
  • The stock-sized F350 Super Duty tires (LT245/75R17E, ~32" height) would look kind of puny on the truck, especially given the long 165" wheelbase.
  • There are HUGE limitations in regards to taller (but narrow) tires that will work on a dually.
  • Buying six (6) tires rather than four (4) obviously means more cash outlay than your average truck/Jeep build.

Well, I stumbled across what I think is a great option—one that's used on $300-500K Super Duty-based EarthRoamer off-road/expedition RVs. 20" Hutchinson MRAP (Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected) aluminum double beadlock wheels are abundant in the military surplus market, typically for $100 each. I can use them with a set of 335/80 R 20 (40.6" tall) Continental MPT 81 tires, and go the "super single" route in lieu of using the stock dual rears. Western Canadian Rockwell got back to me quickly (thanks Neil!), and can make plates to adapt the 10-bolt ~13 ¼” bolt pattern down to the 8 x 200mm Super Duty dually bolt pattern.

Here's what the wheel & tire combo looks like on an F550-based EarthRoamer chassis.
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We're heading to Texas later this summer, and there's a supplier on the way that has an ample supply of these take-off MRAP wheels. I'm seriously considering swinging in and buying a set.

Craig
 
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1x1_Speed_Craig

Active member
Here's what the wheel & tire combo looks like on an F550-based EarthRoamer chassis.
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The military MRAP wheel idea has been "deep sixed", unfortunately. A guy named Jason from Hutchinson was a HUGE help...amazing customer service, despite that I wasn't actually a customer. The MRAP wheels, Jason told me, have higher lips than civilian wheels to support 46-53" tires. I also learned that EarthRoamers use wheels that look similar to the MRAP wheels, but they're actually specially built for F450/F550 trucks (the center discs, anyway), and the lips are shorter.

SO, I reeled things in a bit, and plan on picking up some 20" DRW-to-SRW conversion wheels of some sort, and will most likely be going with BF Goodrich KO2 All-Terrains in the 34-34.5" tall range. I did make a couple calls to Rickson Truck Wheels over the last few weeks, leaving voicemail messages that were never returned. Apparently, they don't care much about making a sale (I've seen several posts about poor customer service). I'll keep researching wheel options.



Knowing that I'm hoping to get the chassis in "roller" status before 2017 hits, I picked up a Daystar Super Duty 2-2.5" leveling kit (P/N KF09119BK), and also ordered some Fat Bob's Garage front shock extenders.

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Got distance? I picked up a pallet of two (2) NOS military surplus Caiman BAE MRAP (Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicle self-healing/bullet-resistant aluminum fuel tanks, one of which I'll install in the bed of the Patina Rod (I'll sell the 2nd tank). It's a 78-gallon tank with 72.6 gallons of usable capacity. That should equate to 1000 miles of driving before needing to refuel. Tank dimensions are roughly 47"W X 29"D X 19"H.

Mounting it in the front of the bed, where it'll fit very nicely, will still allow us 7.5 feet of usable bed space to haul stuff, sleep in when we travel (or should have to bug out, as this will also be our BOV).

The science nerd in me loves the technology with the self-sealing coating, too. Have a look-see...
https://youtu.be/R6qHY1H6piE

I also ordered an ISSPRO fuel sending unit (P/N RA9517-ISS), which will bolt right into this tank.

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Of course I haven't used them yet, but I picked up an Eastwood base plate, which mounts in a vice, for the Eastwood Shrinker/Stretcher kit I already had. I'll eventually need these for some windshield lip repair.

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I'm off work on vacation all week, and hope to get some painting done, as I've had several side projects that have diverted me from the FC work. The remaining rear leaf spring and Dana 80 rear axle are next to get prettied up.


Craig
 

1x1_Speed_Craig

Active member
So, my in-laws are showing their '55 Chevy Ambulance at a car show over the 4th of July weekend, and my Mother-In-Law won a Painless Performance 25% discount as a door prize. Since she had no use for it, she offered it to me, and I graciously accepted it.

I ended up ordering P/N 10220, which is a Classic-Plus Customizable Trunk Mount/Remote-mount Chassis Harness. I also ordered a PowerBraid chassis kit for it.
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A year after painting the first leaf spring, I finally got the other one prepped, painted & installed with the help of my wonderful wife. These suckers are heavy! I'm thankful for the borrowed chainfall that I used to hoist it up while prepping/painting.
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Does this axle make my rear end look big? :sombrero:

I finished prepping and painting the Dana 80 dually rear axle, with the exception of prep/paint on the rotors & hubs, which will come at a later date.

A couple weeks ago, I built a simple, yet VERY helpful, dolly set-up to aid with install while keeping the paint looking pretty. I used some spare lumber, a bunch of casters from old Harbor Freight creepers that broke over the years, and a few bottle jacks from parts Jeeps. This allowed my wife & I to carefully position, then raise the axle into place. It worked very well.
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We're heading to San Antonio soon to visit with my Brother-In-Law and his family, and we'll also be hauling home some new 2016 Super Duty take-off suspension parts (radius arms, springs, shocks & misc. brackets).

Craig
 

jeepdreamer

Expedition Leader
Too bad I don't still have my 2 pairs of MRAP axles... they'd look good with those fuel tanks.


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1x1_Speed_Craig

Active member
Any updates on this project? The FC's are really cool, and your attention to detail is certainly impressive.

Thanks! Big changes, actually. The Patina Rod has a new owner (Chris) in Texas. The last 7 months have been full of house projects...selling a house, remodeling another house (including adding a new garage), etc. Chris drove up to Michigan from Texas with his daughter, and we spent 11 1/2 hours loading everything up.

Chris took over maintaining the FC170 Patina Rod Facebook page, so everyone (including me) can continue to watch the progress.

https://www.facebook.com/FC170PatinaRod/


Too bad I don't still have my 2 pairs of MRAP axles... they'd look good with those fuel tanks.

Yes, I have certainly lusted over MRAP axles a fair share. :)
 

XJSuperman

OhIOWAn
Well damn, thats too bad. Glad to see its got a loving home where it will get finished, just too bad its not still on here for forum members to see. Personally, Im one of the few and the proud......no, Im not a Marine.......I just don't have facebook lol. Thanks for the update.
 

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